Thursday, December 21, 2017

Daemons Discuss - Podcast: Take 28! | Happy Holidays! From Us to All Creatures in the All Souls World

Happy Holidays from us to you!

Take 28 - The One With Good Intentions

Description: We called this one "Good Intentions," because we've got them! We are light on All Souls discussion this episode, yet heavy on holiday-centric good cheer for all souls! Have a great 2018! We'll see you next year!

SPOILER ALERT! We (The Daemons) approach this podcast with an assumption that the listener has read The All Souls Trilogy, including A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night, and The Book of Life. If you haven't, and you don't mind, we certainly don't mind!  😊  Let's do this. *Note - this podcast is labeled 'explicit'

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1. Show notes:

For newcomers to the series:- We'll start with the basics: The books in discussion are A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night and The Book of Life.  Together they make The All Souls Trilogy by Deborah Harkness.
- Our Daemon Guides to the All Souls Trilogy are available for download: ADOW, SON, TBOL

Deb's newsletter - The Blast; subscribe on her website
- If you'd like a ready-reference from the author herself, be sure to download the All Souls Real-Time Reading companion (free e-book at online booksellers via Penguin and Headline books).
- Deborah Harkness usually conducts a real-time reading on her Facebook Page (starting in September), and shares her posts across social media. Check out her website for all of her social media links, and of course all that she has to offer her readers! Be sure to sign up for her newsletter while you are there!
- To see what's available on the web as far as the All Souls universe fandom, check our links page.

In this episode:
* (00:31) - Kevin MacLeod’s version of The Sugar Plum Fairy (Dark Mix) is what we chose for our 2017 holiday edition. Kevin is also the person that composed Ghost Dance, the song we use for our regular opening theme. His music is licensed for use under Creative Commons.

* (01:48) – Yes, we recorded on Veteran’s day! Hey! We are busy Daemons! We find pockets of time to record where we can. As Jean says: "bygones!"

* (04:01) – The dancing scene from the Peanuts special (the shrug and the pony):

From A Charlie Brown Christmas - Music by Vince Guaraldi Trio. Full video is here.
* (04:59) – The sad tree:

A scene from A Charlie Brown Christmas depicting the sad tree.
* (06:10) – Jean reflects on the last year, we got to go to New Orleans, there is a TV show coming, and we have 35 episodes on the books!

* (07:04) – Angela is blown away by this podcast, our commitment to a regular schedule, and how we connect with each other live regularly, and with other people!

* (09:06) – We discuss why we decided to do a podcast back in 2015, and how we came out of our Daemon closets.

* (12:07) – Valerie was surprised at the planning it takes to do a podcast. Angela tells how we don’t plan what we are going to say, we just plan the topics.

* (13:31) – We talk about the growth of the fandom.


* (16:07) – We discuss Angela’s first rounds with social media and how we chose her to be our social media guru (in 2012). The tweet above was the event that turned Angela into a social media maven (little did she know!). The result (well, we think she's responsible): Ignacio ‘Nacho’ Figueras Talks Veuve Clicquot Polo Classic

* (18:45) – Thank you Wendy, Lisa, (NE) Angela and Dr. Shelli for sharing your traditions with us.

* (20:47) – Elf on a shelf: NOPE.

From the Buzzfeed article 22 Naughty Things The Elf On A Shelf Is Doing While You're Not Home
* (22:06) – CHRISTMAS VACATION + COUSIN EDDIE!

Cousin Eddie in Christmas Vacation
* (25:34) – That house in Delaware!


* (27:28) – That mannequin Christmas display Jean was talking about, plus some blow-up decorations -- also, read about the Interlochen Christmas tradition of lights: Meet the Neighbors: Interlochen Christmas Lights a Family Tradition (the home of Jean's "ghost bride"!)


* (29:22) – Angela describes a mannequin with an Elmer Fudd hat + a kimono…we couldn’t find the picture, but Angela was flat out busted peeping on her neighbor's mannequin! ALSO? Scroll up! Check out Cousin Eddie's photo . . . as we were making these notes, Angela figured out that THAT is who the mannequin was modeled after!

* (30:56) – Our podcast as we envision it:

Preparing to record . . . strap in!
* (32:18) – Food traditions discussed here!

* (32:45) – Piecaken:

Recipe here --> http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/thanksgiving-piecaken-524744
* (33:31) – The pie that wasn’t “the best in the world,” grape pie w/ rosemary. Boo! Try it for yourself. Angela says recreational marijuana is legal in Washington, so perhaps one of those people indulging would enjoy such a dish?

Grape pie, Shaggy and Scooby?
* (34:55) – Angela says at her house they’ve occasionally made Turkey Mole.

* (35:51) – Valerie’s (her husband's) holiday oven this year:
Lil' Tex Smoker from Traeger

* (36:40) – Jean enjoys making Turkey a la King. On Christmas Eve, they do tomato soup and grilled cheese.

* (39:11) – Our plans next year as Daemons: Philadephia for All Souls Con 2018 & new books coming out. With the TV show, during the airing of the shows we will go from fortnightly to weekly to cover the series episodes. We will continue on with chapter episodes and all of the other things we already cover during our episodes.

* (42:45) Promo break – scroll down, or click here to get a hold of us and/or become a Discusser -- information on joining our Facebook group also located on that page.

* (44:28) – Jean said she’s going to try to not run us off of the road so much (Val and Angela: NOOOOOOO! We like the diversions!), Val’s says “ya know” too much, she’s going to try to do it less. We discuss Valerie’s laughter and Angela’s use of the term “ok!” Angela is seriously going to work on her patience this year, Jean is going to try to not let others bother her too much. Valerie will try to be more engaged with our audience as a whole (on social media).

* (48:44) – Happy Holiday’s everyone!  Have a spectacular 2018! Thank you to our OG (Original Gangster) Discussers, our Facebook group* participants, and also to those of you who tune in just for background noise! Hopefully you haven't tuned us out while we say thank you! We'll see you all next year!
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Thursday, December 7, 2017

Daemons Discuss - Podcast: Take 27! | Chapter Discussion about the All Souls Trilogy; Chapters 3 & 4 of Shadow of Night

"Bell, Book and Candle" - Original pre-edit photo by Tim Pierce; attribution 2.0 license by Creative Commons

Take 27 - The One With the Hag

Description: (Covers chapters 3 & 4 of Shadow of Night) Matthew Clairmont and Diana Bishop get around to acknowledging the need for some witchy guidance. The intent: to return back to the present time armed with Diana's new magic, ward off the Congregation, and finally discover the secrets of Ashmole 782.

Matthew's friends (The School of Night) offer help by coming up with elaborate stories to explain away her differences. Françoise tries to come to Diana's aid by calling for some gloves and shoes to be made.  Matthew summons the Widow Beaton to the house as a witch teacher for Diana. The insane/hilarious fun of all of these interactions is what is covered in this episode!

SPOILER ALERT! We (The Daemons) approach this podcast with an assumption that the listener has read The All Souls Trilogy, including A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night, and The Book of Life. If you haven't, and you don't mind, we certainly don't mind!  😊  Let's do this. *Note - this podcast is labeled 'explicit'

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1. Show notes:

For newcomers to the series:- We'll start with the basics: The books in discussion are A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night and The Book of Life.  Together they make The All Souls Trilogy by Deborah Harkness.
- Our Daemon Guides to the All Souls Trilogy are available for download: ADOW, SON, TBOL

Deb's newsletter - The Blast; subscribe on her website
- If you'd like a ready-reference from the author herself, be sure to download the All Souls Real-Time Reading companion (free e-book at online booksellers via Penguin and Headline books).
- Deborah Harkness usually conducts a real-time reading on her Facebook Page (starting in September), and shares her posts across social media. Check out her website for all of her social media links, and of course all that she has to offer her readers! Be sure to sign up for her newsletter while you are there!
- To see what's available on the web as far as the All Souls universe fandom, check our links page.

In this episode:
* (00:55) – Thanks Discussers, NE Angela & Wendy!

a. Chapter 3
* (08:50) – The backstory constructed by the “lads” – Matthew stars in the show!
What they had concocted so far was melodramatic in the extreme. This was not surprising given that our two resident playwrights, Kit and George, came up with the key elements of the plot. The characters included dead French parents, avaricious noblemen who had preyed on a helpless orphan (me), and aged lechers intent on stripping me of my virtue. The tale turned epic with my spiritual trials and conversion from Catholicism to Calvinism. These led to voluntary exile on England’s Protestant shores, years of abject poverty, and Matthew’s fortuitous rescue and instantaneous regard.
Although it's not the same, Diana practicing her writing reminded Valerie of doodling your school-girl crush's last name with yours.
* (10:08) – Diana is practicing writing, and testing out her names . . . (not unlike being in school testing out your possible married name with your crush!)

* (11:10) – Diana is holding on too tight . . .
“You’re holding your pen too tightly. That’s why the point keeps breaking and the ink won’t flow. You’re holding on to your new life too tightly as well.”
The original version of Penguin/Viking's commonplace book; first issued with the release of The Book of Life
* (11:27) – Penguin/Viking's version of Diana’s commonplace book (see above!)

* (11:55) – Matthew and Walter argue outside (and Diana notes the mail). Angela speculates that Walter was chastising Matthew, Valerie wonders if it was about the Queen’s business, and Jean thinks it could be. Angela also wonders if it was maybe Knight’s business. It could be any of those things!
Matthew and Walter were below. The panes of glass muffled their words, but the subject of the conversation was evidently unpleasant, judging from Matthew’s harried expression and the bristling line of Raleigh’s eyebrows. When Matthew made a dismissive gesture and turned to walk away, Walter stopped him with a firm hand.
Katherine Jones (née Boyle)
* (14:31) – The chess piece; Matthew is an observer this time. Jean brings up The Book of Life, and Baldwin being the rook and Diana being the queen.
“Kit won it from me fair and square last night—just as he was supposed to do. At least this time I could see how he managed it. He distracted me with his rook.”
* (15:44) – Katherine Boyle (Robert Boyle’s sister) & The Invisible College
That was my name now. Diana Roydon, wife of the most obscure figure associated with the mysterious School of Night. I examined the page critically. My handwriting was a disaster. It looked nothing like what I’d seen of the chemist Robert Boyle’s neat, rounded script or that of his brilliant sister, Katherine.
* (16:51) – We wonder how Deb decides to insert these little eggs, or does it come out organically (especially since she has famously said that she doesn't use an outline to write). Jean compares Deb to Diana as far as writing about people and things from the past like she knows them.

* (18:29) – Matthew assures that Kit won’t lose the chess piece . . .
“All the more reason not to worry. As long as it pains him to look upon the likeness of Diana, he won’t be able to part with it. Christopher Marlowe is a masochist of the first order.”
From our drive into the ditch: Hale Navy is what Valerie decided to paint her hall bathroom -- photo from REMODELaholic
* (19:03) – The colors! Goose Turd Green, and Rat Hair! Then we went into the ditch; we started talking about copyrighting modern colors for paint. Valerie brings up the darkest black, and Jean brings up a new blue, and we talk about Tiffany blue, Ford’s blue. Also, we were talking about Benjamin Moore’s Hale Navy (the color Val is painting her bathroom -- see color above).

* (21:40) – The Caudles … blech! The Caudle Diana made Tom:
Set your water to boil. Beat two egge yolkes. Add white wine and beat some more. When the water boils, set it to cool, then add the wine and egge. Stirre it as it boils again, adding saffron and honey.
* (22:11) – Somers and Bidwill show up to take Diana’s measurements
Sturdy feet tromped down the hall. The disapproving Françoise appeared at the threshold. “There are men here for Mistress Roydon,” she announced, stepping aside to reveal a gray-haired septuagenarian with callused hands and a much younger man who shifted from one foot to the other. Neither of these men was a creature.
* (22:48) – Outsiders low-key knew what Matthew actually was.
“Sir. My lord. Master Roydon.” The young man blurted out most available titles except for “Your Majesty” and “Prince of Darkness.” These were implied nonetheless.
* (23:28) – Matthew squashes the notion that Diana will ever show in court.
“Ladies who are going to court are having white stamped with gold or silver.”“We’re not going to court,” Matthew said swiftly.
A depiction of ague, painting by Thomas Rowlandson, 1756-1827
* (24:04) – The seriousness of ague:
“Rafe Meadows’s girl was sick with a terrible fever. We feared for Old Edward, but he is only afflicted with an ague,” Somers replied tersely.“I trust Meadows’s daughter has recovered.”“No.” Somers snapped the thread. “They buried her three days ago, God rest her soul.”“Amen,” said everyone in the room.
* (24:37) – The Oxford Viva = an oral exam. Mystery solved. We suspected as much, but we were just confirming our own guesses.

* (25:30) – The FNG (Fucking New Guy)! Matthew tells Diana not to worry about how others perceive her.
“But my accent, the way that I walk . . .” Even I had noticed the length of my steps relative to that of the other women in the house, but Kit’s open mockery of my masculine stride had brought the point home.“You’ll adjust. Meanwhile people will talk. But no one’s opinion in Woodstock matters. Soon you will be familiar and the gossip will stop.”
* (27:03) – The term “statuesque” - we are assuming in this context it means more voluptuous.

* (28:08) – The dynamics of the School of Night
Educated in the finest Renaissance style, the members of the School of Night were able to move between ancient and modern languages with alarming speed. All of them knew Aristotle backward and forward. And when Kit, Walter, and Matthew began talking politics, their encyclopedic command of history and geography made it nearly impossible for anyone else to keep up. Occasionally George and Tom managed to squeak in an opinion, but Henry’s stammer and slight deafness made his full participation in the intricate discussions impossible. He spent most of the time quietly observing the others with a shy deference that was endearing, considering that the earl outranked everyone in the room. If there weren’t so many of them, I might be able to keep up, too.
* (28:30) – The auras and Diana’s magic changing
Henry and Tom entered the room looking for Matthew. My third eye blinked open, surprising me with sudden awareness. Since we had arrived, my other nascent powers—witchfire, witchwater, and witchwind—had been oddly absent. With the unexpected extra perception offered by my witch’s third eye, I could discern not only the black-red intensity of the atmosphere around Matthew but also Tom’s silvery light and Henry’s barely perceptible green-black shimmer, each as individual as a fingerprint.
* (29:30) – They determine they need a witch.
“You’re not fine.” He tossed the quill onto the table. “Your scent has changed. I think your magic might be changing, too. Kit is right. We must find you a witch as quickly as possible.”
b. Chapter 4
* (30:18) – November 2nd is All Souls day; a previous continuity issue we discussed is resolved.

* (30:40) – Little regard was held for women or people who lacked university education.
“At last,” Matthew said. His friends had been eager to help him find the creature. Their suggestions illuminated a collective disregard for women, witches, and everyone who lacked a university education. Henry thought London might provide the most fertile ground for the search, but Walter assured him that it would be impossible to conceal me from superstitious neighbors in the crowded city. George wondered if the scholars of Oxford might be persuaded to lend their expertise, since they at least had proper intellectual credentials.
* (31:37) – The word witch vs. the word wizard. "Witch" tended to be viewed negatively, whereas "wizard" which is likened to the word "wise." Thanks, society! 😐

Disney's evil queen disguised as an old hag -- the image that was conjured up in Jean's head!
* (32:11) – Widow Beaton was straight out of central casting. Jean compares her in her mind to the evil queen in Snow White
At the far end of the room, standing in the shadows, was the witch from central casting: diminutive, bent, and ancient. As we drew closer, the details of her rusty black dress, stringy white hair, and leathery skin became more apparent. One of her eyes was milky with a cataract, the other a mottled hazel. The eyeball with the cataract had an alarming tendency to swivel in its socket, as though its sight might be improved with a different perspective. Just when I thought it couldn’t get worse, I spotted the wart on the bridge of her nose.
* (33:56) – Matthew gets amorous in an attempt to calm Diana down
“Trust me.” Matthew lowered his lips toward mine. His eyes were smoky, and his instincts to pursue his prey and push it into submission were sharp. Not only did the sixteenth-century husband want to prevail over his wife, but the vampire wanted to capture the witch.“I don’t find arguments the slightest bit arousing,” I said, turning my head. Matthew clearly did, however. I moved a few inches away from him.
* (34:21) – The quote that angered us all (booooooo!):
“And if you really want to behave like an Elizabethan woman, stop questioning me,” he said roughly as he departed.
* (35:09) – Beaton arrives (and they kind of leave her there) . . .
“Elle est ici,” Pierre announced, his glance flicking in my direction. “The witch is here to see madame.”“At last,” Matthew said. His friends had been eager to help him find the creature.
* (35:38) – Jean’s French is abysmal! We get a mini French lesson from Angela regarding the name Françoise. She explains the difference between the names Françoise and François. With the 'e' on the end, an 's' or harder 'z' sound (if you want to emphasize) is pronounced at the tail end of the name, distinguishing the feminine from the masculine.

* (36:30) – Kit owes a bunch of people a bunch of money including his tailor, his landlordWHO DOESN'T HE OWE? 😂 He intended to pawn the chess piece to settle his debts. Matthew offers to pay for it. Diana: "whew!"
Matthew had been following the volleys with increasing amusement. “Who are you in trouble with now?” he asked Marlowe, reaching for his wine. “And how much is it going to cost to get you out of it?”My tailor.” Kit waved a hand over his expensive suit. “The printer for Tamburlaine.” He hesitated, prioritizing the outstanding sums. “Hopkins, that bastard who calls himself my landlord. But I do have this.” Kit held up the tiny figure of Diana that he’d won from Matthew when they played chess on Sunday night. Still anxious about letting the statue out of my sight, I inched forward.“You can’t be so hard up as to pawn that bauble for pennies.” Matthew’s eyes flickered to me, and a small movement of his hand had me sinking back again. “I’ll take care of it.”
Tom Cruise in this famous scene from the movie Risky Business
* (37:20) – Risky Business! Join us on another mini-tour of the ditch; Millennials, give this movie a go!

* (38:25) – Diana has been drawing life force from living things. Jean wonders if this is preparation to become the mother in the goddess sense, Valerie wonders if it’s just because she’s drawn life from the tree, it’s just unleashed this new magic. Also the white animals!
A few hours ago, I had laced my fingers through the branches to tug the roses and medlars to the forefront of the vase, wondering about the garden all the while. I was pleased with the results for about fifteen seconds, until the flowers and fruit withered before my eyes.
* (39:53) – Diana is not witch enough to produce a beard.
“There’s a barber in Oxford who is a wizard. Your husband’s hair grows slowly, as with all of his kind, and he’s clean shaven.” When I still looked blank, Kit continued with exaggerated patience. “Matt will be noticed, looking as he does. He needs a beard. Apparently you are not witch enough to provide him with one, so we will have to find someone else to do it."
* (41:38) – Kit (in real life) got into a street fight with his tailor!


* (43:29) – The bell, book and candle ritual (Catholic vs. Pagan version). Angela, Valerie and Jean discuss the ritual and what it means in Catholicism. Jean brings up the series, The Borgias and an excommunication spell scene to cast someone into the pits of Hell. The juxtoposition forces us to think that one tradition is a result of the other.
“Then the priest took up a holy book—a Bible—and closed it to show that the witch was denied access to God.” The Elements of Geometrie snapped shut. George and Tom jumped. The members of the School of Night were surprisingly susceptible for men who considered themselves immune to superstition.“Finally the priest snuffed out a candle, to signify that the witch had no soul.” Widow Beaton’s fingers reached into the flame and pinched the wick. The light went out, and a thin plume of gray smoke rose into the air. The men were mesmerized. Even Matthew looked unsettled. The only sound in the room was the crackle of the fire and the constant, tinny ringing of the bell.“A true witch can relight the fire, open the pages of the book, and stop the bell from ringing. She is a wonderful creature in the eyes of God.” Widow Beaton paused for dramatic effect, and her milky eye rolled in my direction. “Can you perform these acts, girl?”
* (46:40) – Was Widow Beaton baiting Diana to use her magic in order to separate herself from the creature world? If so, she conveniently would be able to point a finger at a "real witch," diverting attention away from herself. Hmmm...
Other witches had made the same proclamation as Widow Beaton, and with similar satisfaction. I had a sudden, intense need to prove her wrong and wipe the knowing look from Kit’s face.
* (47:38) – Diana is confessing the changing of her magic in front of all of them.
“I can taste sunlight, Matthew.” My voice was sharp with panic. “I can see time, waiting in the corners.”“That woman has bewitched a wearh. This is the devil’s work,” Widow Beaton hissed. She was backing carefully away, her fingers forked to ward off danger
* (48:01) – We discuss Beaton’s attempted assimilation into society by being part of a Christian congregation.

* (49:34) – Widow Beaton: Look people, I don’t want trouble. I don’t have fancy dudes protecting my ass. Keep me out of this mess!
“You are not like me, and I want no trouble. None will give me pity when the village is baying for blood. I have no wearh to protect me, and no lords and court gentlemen will step forward to defend my honor.”
* (50:29) – A warning from the hag . . .
“But mark my words, Matthew Roydon. Every creature within a day’s journey suspects that you are a foul beast who feeds on blood. When they discover you are harboring a witch with these dark powers, God will be merciless on those who have turned against Him.”
* (50:55) – Kit’s reaction after Beaton leaves . . .
“I enjoyed myself immensely!” Kit shouted, flinging open another window with so much force the panes rattled. “That hag is the perfect witch. I shall put Widow Beaton in one of my plays. Did you ever imagine she could do that with an old bell?”
* (52:26) – We discuss the School of Night’s living situation. We came to the conclusion that they all have places to rest their heads, however they hang out with Matthew because there is always food, wine and brew.

* (54:23) – Explain yourself. Walter questions Diana. Matthew shuts that down.
“Explain yourself,” Walter said curtly.“Diana owes you no explanation,” Matthew shot back.
* (55:10) – Hal on this situation:
“If she speaks out against you, Matt, is there a reason for concern?” Henry inquired gently.
* (56:02) – We end with this quote:
“We’re creatures, Hal, in a human world. There’s always reason for concern,” Matthew said grimly.
* (56:35) Housekeeping: Thank you Fern! She wonders what the fandom thinks about the Ysabeau pick for the TV show. We are in a “wait and see” mode . . . we are wondering how this will play out. We acknowledge that people are just mourning their young, glamourous, version of Ysabeau + the canon that was previously established. Also, we received a couple of Apple Podcast reviews from Mesquite235, and MovetheScale! Thanks for the praise! We deeply appreciate it, and hope to be able to live up to it in future.

* (1:00:44) Save It For the Show … Topic: New fandom entities cropping up with sometimes indistinguishable features . . . we’ve noticed a huge crop of new outlets flooding the fandom, but only a couple of sites have really stood out to us, especially with the some of the chosen naming conventions. Valerie notes a Twitter account that just tweets, and retweets what's already out there (which is fine; do what you want!), but her point is actually missed in this conversation – she states that she's going to be "that asshole" by saying this, however the particular entity she was talking about purports to represent an entire country, yet it appears to serve as yet another echo chamber of all of the other places. P.S. we'd understand this if there was a language barrier, and they were translating for fans from non-English speaking countries, but there isn't one in this case. Please note that we realize many of these fandom groups are just starting out, and can eventually evolve into go-to fandom spots.

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Wednesday, November 29, 2017

2017 Holiday Giveaway!

Glitz and glam for the holidays? Yes, but this year there is a twist! We are going to gift like Phoebe!
This year has gone fast! As we find ourselves firmly in the holiday season, it's time for our annual holiday giveaway! We are taking a page out of Phoebe's book; we are going to give something considered a hand-me-down and something hand-made.

As usual, we've provided several ways to enter, including podcast trivia, social media follows, and of course you can tweet about this daily (do one, some, or all)! Have a copy already? What a perfect gift for the like-minded reader that you hold dear.

Here are the goods:

A Discovery of Witches (US paperback), signed by Deborah Harkness. We are offering a hand-me-down ... or better, a well-loved copy of A Discovery of Witches to a lucky recipient! And yes, it’s signed! Great gift for first time readers of the story, people who have the ebook and would appreciate a signed physical copy, or people who have not had an opportunity to get a signed copy at all.

This one is special because it was loved before! It also has something rather different about it . . . it is stamped "FREE BOOKS" --- we cracked up, not only because we didn't notice it when we had Deb sign it, but because this copy is now priceless. Hopefully, we will find it a home where someone will appreciate the irony as much as we do! You can see the stamp --> here

On one side is our version of Jack's design with the Bishop/Clairmont scion name, the other side shows The Tree of Life.
A glass cabochon necklace featuring the snake/firedrake ouroboros design. Jack gifted his drawing of the Bishop Clairmont scion design to Diana and Matthew, so we found this rather fitting.

This is our hand-made offering. It sold out at All Souls Con 2017 (all proceeds -- including the cost of production -- went to the Bodleian), and we probably won't be able to sell them again as shown (we are not trying to step on legal landmines! However, we can give it away with a clear conscience). Most likely the style version that will come out for sale next year will not have "Bishop - Clairmont" on it!

Update 19 Dec 2017: Congratulations, Catrina!



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Tuesday, November 21, 2017

Daemons Discuss - Podcast: Take 26! | Chapter Discussion about the All Souls Trilogy; Chapters 1 & 2 of Shadow of Night

The "Old Lodge" or Speke Hall back in the days of yore ...
Take 26 - The One With the Boys

Description: The reader, like the collective heap of vampire and witch, is splashed into 1590, and it seems the temperature not as quite as comfortable as we had hoped! In this episode, we explore the first two chapters of our favorite book in this series, Shadow of Night. We find that Matthew Clairmont's past is not quite a tidy hole that Diana Bishop's future could easily squeeze into! Join us as we meet Kit, George, Thomas, Henry and Walter (aka, The School of Night).

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For newcomers to the series:- We'll start with the basics: The books in discussion are A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night and The Book of Life.  Together they make The All Souls Trilogy by Deborah Harkness.
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- To see what's available on the web as far as the All Souls universe fandom, check our links page.

In this episode:
* (01:00) – Angela did her re-read reading and listening to the audio at 1.5x speed! She was able to pick up things she never heard before.

* (01:55) – Thank you Discussers, NE Angela, Stephen, Ed and Lauren! See full emails here

* (08:08) – The dedication – dedicated to Lacey Baldwin Smith – Jean mentions the book Elizabethan Age -- she misspoke; the actual title is The Elizabethan World
To Lacey Baldwin Smith, master storyteller and historian, who suggested some time ago that I should think about writing a novel.
a. Chapter 1

Tudor roses on a ceiling
* (09:40) – An undignified heap of witch of vampire… we talk about the tudor roses on the ceiling. Jean & Angela explain the deeper meaning of the “obligatory” part of their presence.

* (11:43) – Matthew is appearing to want to settle in (when this was supposed to be an in/out trip).
“The roses were obligatory when the house was built,” Matthew commented drily. “I can’t stand them. We’ll paint them all white at the first opportunity.”
* (12:20) – Diana, for the first time, is happy to be a witch.
For the first time in my life, I was absolutely delighted to be a witch. As a historian I studied the past. Because I was a witch, I could actually visit it. We had come to 1590 to school me in the lost arts of magic, yet there was so much more that I could learn here.
* (13:23) – Angela liked that Diana was naiive about this trip. Her bubble was continually popped. Beginning with Kit.
“Wherever did you find that?” Marlowe pointed, his voice dripping with contempt. I looked over my shoulder, expecting to see some hideous work of art. There was nothing but empty space.He meant me. My smile faltered.
* (14:29) – Blackfriers Bess . . .
“Is Diana her real name, or was it adopted to enhance her allure among customers? Perhaps a baring of her right breast, or a bow and arrow, is in order,” Marlowe suggested, picking up a sheet of paper. “Remember when Blackfriars Bess demanded we call her Aphrodite before she would let us—”
* (14:58) – Valerie realized (this read) that Kit turned her immediately off by rifling through Matthew’s things.
Shock passed over Matthew’s face before his lips curved into an affectionate smile. “Where are you in truth, my own sweet Matt?” The man held a page up to the light. In a flash, Matthew’s eyes narrowed, indulgence replaced by displeasure.“Looking for something, Kit?”
* (16:30) – Angela mentions that Kit was doing what Jean mentioned in the panel of ASC; Kit was being a love-sick stalker.

* (16:44) – Diana wants to fan-girl Kit, because she recognized his face from an image on the back of her copy of The Jew of Malta (an aside ☞ The Jew of Malta is said to be an inspirational piece for Shakespeare’s ‘The Merchant of Venice.’ William is a magpie! Also, according to Kit, “a thief and a hack”). We also note that Diana is trying to understand Elizabethan English.

* (17:27) – What's an 'ague'? Definition of ague:
1 :a fever (such as malaria) marked by paroxysms of chills, fever, and sweating that recur at regular intervals
2 :a fit of shivering

* (17:57) – Here goes Kit with his foul-snark! Angela states she has no basis for liking Kit …she just did. Jean just saw it as Kit being love-sick.

* (19:13) – Kit reports on George (who we have yet to meet).
" [...] George has been here for some time, of course, eating your food and reading your books. He is still without a patron and hasn’t a farthing to his name.”
* (20:30) – The brothel remark! Damn! Angela suggests that Kit was extra anxious to reveal juicy tidbits like that.
“I had no idea there was a brothel in Woodstock that specialized in overtall women. Most of your whores are more delicate and appealing, Matthew. This one is a positive Amazon,” Kit sniffed
* (21:20) – Matthew finally shuts Kit down.
“Diana is my wife.” Matthew was gone from my side, his hand no longer wrapped around mine but twisted in Marlowe’s collar.“No.” Kit’s face registered his shock.
* (21:48) – Jean notes that Chester is approx. 120 miles away from the Old Lodge. That commute via horseback would be a bit hard . . .
“Matt! Pierre said you were in Chester and might not make it home. But I knew you would not miss our annual gathering.”
* (22:2) – Enter Pierre and Françoise
With a clatter of dishes, two vampires appeared in the room. One was a slender man with an expressive face, weather-beaten skin the color of a hazelnut, and black hair and eyes. He was holding a flagon of wine and a goblet whose stem was shaped into a dolphin, the bowl balanced on its tail. The other was a rawboned woman bearing a platter of bread and cheese.
* (23:00) – The term 'milord' enters our lexicon in this story. We discuss servant treatment, and being dressed and washed. Lol! We go over “the whore’s bath” … thanks, Jean!
“You are home, milord,” the man said, obviously confused. Oddly enough, his French accent made him easier to understand. “The messenger on Thursday said—”
* (24:36) – Diana’s hair has changed.
“What’s happened to your hair?” Matthew held up a strawberry blond curl.
* (25:20) – The mated earring! Where did this come from? We discuss the accumulation of things from Matthew’s family. Valerie brings up the fact that Ysabeau and Louisa were big packers, and probably littered Matthew's various homes with their things over time.
Like Matthew’s copy of Doctor Faustus and the small silver figure of Diana, the earring was one of the items that had helped us return to this particular past. Françoise rummaged in a nearby chest and found its match easily. My jewelry sorted out, she snaked thick stockings over my knees and secured them with scarlet ribbons.
* (27:56) – Diana realized this George is George Chapman – read this Weekly Geek on George.
“I am George Chapman, Mistress Roydon.”His name was familiar. I picked through the disorganized knowledge stored in my historian’s brain. Chapman was not an alchemist—that was my research specialty, and I did not find his name in the spaces devoted to that arcane subject. He was another writer, like Marlowe, but I couldn’t recall any of the titles.
* (28:58) – George: Matthew, what’s up? You don’t like witches! Matthew: This one is cool, though. Relax, man. I married her.
“But you do not like witches any more than Kit does, Matthew. You have always discouraged me from attending to the subject. When I set out to write a poem about Hecate, you told me to—”“I like this one. So much so, I married her,”
* (29:10) – Hecate (Hekete)

* (29:22) – George included Diana in conversation. He went out of his way to be polite. Kit interrupted with an offer to read from Faustus. We also conclude that if Diana wasn’t there, Matthew would’ve listened to Faustus. This version probably had a wayward witch in it.

* (30:50) – The next morning – a private person’s personal nightmare!
He untied its ruffled neckline and was about to plant a kiss underneath my ear to persuade me to his point of view when someone ripped open the bed’s curtains. I squinted against the bright sunlight.“Well?” Marlowe demanded.
Roanoke Coloney
31:37 – The Roanoke history . . . introduced: Roanoke Coloney

32:00 – Françoise kicks them out.
“Out! Madame must wash before she greets his lordship.” Françoise entered the room with a steaming basin of water in her hands. Pierre, as usual, trailed behind.
* (32:12) – Pierre throws Matthew his britches
Pierre, familiar with the signs of a woman on the edge, hastily thrust a set of black britches at my husband so he wouldn’t be bare-legged when my anger erupted.
* (32:56) – George brings the news that Lord Northumberland is right downstairs.
George inquired from beyond the curtains. He’d entered the room unannounced, neatly foiling Françoise’s efforts to herd the other men out. “Lord Northumberland has been left alone in the great hall. If he were my patron, I would not treat him thus!”
* (33:31) – Of course Shakespeare’s not downstairs!
“Of course Will’s not down there.” Matthew waved his hand dismissively. “Walter doesn’t approve of his command of meter, and Kit thinks he’s a hack and a thief.”
* (34:40) – Matthew is actually Matthew Roydon

* (35:26) – Mad, bad and dangerous to know!

* (36:26) – Françoise finds the scar. We talk about family loyalty.
I was still wrestling my head out of the fabric when there was a gasp of horror, a muffled “Mon Dieu.”I froze. Françoise had seen my back and the crescent-shaped scar that stretched from one side of my lower rib cage to the other, along with the star that rested between my shoulder blades.
b. Chapter 2

Henry Percy (aka 'Hal' in this story) was the 9th Earl of Northumberland
* (39:19) – They greet the Earl of Northumberland. Enter Henry Percy. He’s sweet to Diana and we agree he was a welcome change for Diana.

* (40:34) – The preparation to meet the Earl:
I asked Françoise a number of questions during the complicated process. Portraits of the period had led me to expect an unwieldy birdcage called a farthingale that would hold my skirts out at the hips, but Françoise explained that these were for more formal occasions. Instead she tied a stuffed cloth form shaped like a doughnut around my waist beneath my skirts. The only positive thing to say about it was that it held the layers of fabric away from my legs, enabling me to walk without too much difficulty—provided there was no furniture in the way and my destination could be reached if I moved in a straight line. But I would be expected to curtsy, too. Françoise quickly taught me how to do so while explaining how Henry Percy’s various titles worked—he was “Lord Northumberland” even though his last name was Percy and he was an earl
* (41:00) – Shaving beards to combat ague … looking into this, we couldn't find exact documentation, but it is our assumption that this was an actual way to combat fever (maybe also germs). So instead, we offer you the following: The History of Shaving and Beards

* (42:39) – Diana studies Hal’s habits and observes the old lodge. Jean brings up the historical value of the things she observes; Angela brings up how Catholicism in Matthew’s world remains prominent even amongst Protestant England (and religious tug-of-wars at the time).

* (43:45) – Enter Walter. We talk about what a heartbreaker he was for the time. Angela compares his portrait to Tom Mison, the actor.
A Hilliard of Walter Raleigh on the left, and Tom Mison on the right. What do you think?
 * (44:31) – Whoa, what? Diana is only 33! “Mature?” The hits keep on coming!
“Henry Percy, you sly imp. Kit told me you were intent on bedding the fair Arabella. If I’d known your tastes ran to something more mature than a girl of fifteen, I would have yoked you to a lusty widow long ago.”Mature? Widow? I had just turned thirty-three.
* (45:11) – Hal sets Walter straight.
“Go out, come in again, and ask Matt for his news. And look contrite when you do it.”
Arabella Stuart as painted by Nicholas Hilliard
* (46:14) – Hal and the fair Arabella: [...]Northumberland's name was entitled to stand eighth on the list of presumptive heirs to the crown, and the Roman catholics, who had hopes that he would yet declare for the faith of his fathers, suggested about 1590 that he should strengthen his claim by marrying another heiress, Lady Arabella Stuart. [... read more]

* (46:28) – Court life/intrigue.
Henry turned with surprise. “Good day, Walter. Why aren’t you at court?”I tried to swallow a morsel of toast. Our new arrival was almost certainly the missing member of Matthew’s School of Night, Sir Walter Raleigh.“Cast out of paradise for want of a position, Hal. And who is this?” Piercing blue eyes settled on me, and teeth gleamed from his dark beard.
* (47:02) – Diana was from Cambridge; she neglects to mention the Massachusetts part.
“I pray you are right, Hal. But enough of my troubles. What part of the country are your people from, Mistress Roydon?”“Cambridge,” I said softly, keeping my response brief and as truthful as possible. The town was in Massachusetts, not England, but if I started making things up now, I’d never keep my stories straight
* (47:46) – The assumption that Diana has a dead husband, and a few kids at her age. Walter mentions the waste of a fine specimen on a cold-blooded creature. Jean suggests that this is Tudor version of “I’d hit that…”

* (49:00) – Walter gets the news that Diana is a witch from – KIT.
“At last. Talk sense into him, Walter. Matthew cannot keep playing Odysseus to her Circe.” Kit grabbed the goblet sitting in front of Henry. “Good day, Hal.”“Talk sense into whom?” Walter asked testily.“Matt, of course. That woman is a witch. And there’s something not quite right about her.” Kit’s eyes narrowed. “She’s hiding something.”
* (50:30) – They move to the parlor. Valerie notes the art. Jean mentions leaders being displayed on the walls of a private residence.

* (51:55) – The truth.
“Are you still going to tell them the truth?” I whispered to him.“It is generally easier that way, mistress,” Raleigh said sharply, “not to mention more fitting among friends.”
* (52:35) – But to marry a witch . . .
“But to wed her—whatever were you thinking?” Walter asked numbly.“That I loved her,” Matthew said.
* (53:10) – Kit’s eyes at Matthew’s declaration of love for Diana (we’ll use the Mark Cuban .gif that Angela mentioned).

This is often Angela's reaction to various daily absurdities 😂
* (53:30) – The back stories and Kit’s protests.
“We will need to devise a story to explain how your wife came to be here,” Walter said thoughtfully, “something to divert attention from her strangeness.”“Diana needs a teacher, too,” added Matthew.“She must be taught some manners, certainly,” Kit grumbled. “No, her teacher must be another witch,” Matthew corrected him.
* (54:30) – How Matthew interacts with his counterparts in the School of Night. Jean compares them to his actual family. We discuss family of choice vs. family of blood.
At Matthew’s response the room fell silent while he and Walter studied each other. With Kit, Matthew was indulgent and a bit exasperated. George and Tom brought out his patience and Henry his brotherly affection. But Raleigh was Matthew’s equal—in intelligence, power, perhaps even in ruthlessness—which meant that Walter’s was the only opinion that mattered. They had a wary respect for each other, like two wolves determining who had the strength to lead their pack.
* (55:57) – They talk about why they are there, and Diana’s lack of magical education
“Diana’s father was a scholar,” Matthew replied for me. There were murmurs of interest, quelled by Walter’s upraised hand. “Her mother, too. Both were witches and died under mysterious circumstances.” “That is something we share, then, D-D-Diana,” Henry said with a shudder. Before I could ask the earl what he meant, Walter waved Matthew on.“As a result her education as a witch was . . . overlooked,” Matthew continued.
* (56:26) – Wearh - although, the term “wearh” cannot be directly translated into “vampire,” it is an Old English term that has been used to describe vampires. A wearh is a monster or evil spirit. Many authors still use the term when writing about vampires and Anglo-Saxons between England and Scotland between the mid-5th century and the mid-12th century. *Source - Vampire Underworld

* (56:42) – Witches and wearhs cannot marry.
“Because witches and wearhs are forbidden to marry,” Kit said promptly. I’d never heard the word wearh before, with its whistling w at the beginning and guttural sound at the end.“So are daemons and wearhs.” Walter clamped a warning hand on Kit’s shoulder.“Really?” George blinked at Matthew, then at me. “Does the queen forbid such a match?”“It is an ancient covenant between creatures that none dares to disobey.” Tom sounded frightened. “Those who do so are called to account by the Congregation and punished.”
Janus Image
Janus
* (57:47) – Janus:
In ancient Roman religion and myth, Janus (/ˈnəs/; Latin: Iānus, pronounced [ˈjaː.nus]) is the god of beginnings, gates, transitions, time, duality, doorways,[1] passages, and endings. See more . . .

* (58:40) – Matthew’s ideas through other people. Matthew as a vampire cannot claim his thoughts in history.
Walter surveyed Marlowe from head to toe—“everything in you and on you—from your ideas to your last cup of wine to the hat on your head—is thanks to Matthew Roydon’s good graces. Providing a safe port for his wife during this present tempest is a trifle in comparison.”
* (59:50) – Kit doesn’t think she shouldn’t leave the house due to her odd speech. George offers to provide elocution lessons.
“Go out of the house?” Kit scoffed. “Utter lunacy.”“Kit is right,” George said apologetically. He made a notation in his book. “Your speech makes it apparent you are a stranger to England. I would be happy to give you elocution lessons, Mistress Roydon.” The idea of George Chapman playing Henry Higgins to my Eliza Doolittle was enough to make me look longingly at the exit.
* (1:00:50) – Is there anything they wouldn’t do for you, Matthew?
I’d seen Matthew manage the readers at the Bodleian, but his influence over the likes of Walter Raleigh and Kit Marlowe was still unexpected. “Is there anything they wouldn’t do for you, Matthew?“Pray God we never find out,” he said somberly.
* (1:01:15) – Chapter discussion ends with this version of the verse:
“‘Black is the badge of hell / The hue of dungeons, and the school of night.’”
* (1:01:37) Housekeeping: Thanks Lauren & Shelli (we clarify the term DILF, and revist the term schmexy). Thanks SunshineVince for your awesome 5-star review!

* (1:05:25) Save It For the Show … Topic: Our thoughts on the TV images from A Discovery of Witches TV so far. We are of a wait and see mindset. The TV show is different from the books. We are getting different points of views from all of the characters!

Teresa Palmer wrapped up in spider webs (shared by Teresa Palmer on Instagram)
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* (1:11:57) – Last thoughts/things we can't let go of: Jean is tired of the never-dying question “why can’t Diana live forever?”.  Valerie alerts listeners: Deb has an imposter on the internet. Proceed with caution. Here are Deb’s actual links:
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Note the picture on the left of this collage; it's fan-art from 2013.
And  – WHAT? The picture in the Italian article above: on the left is fan-art (featuring Richard Armitage and Ana Torv). The writer/editor of this article should have done more extensive research -- 'cause let's face it -- how embarrassing! The link (as of the time of episode publication) to this article in the Venetian newspaper still exists as shown above. We recognized the image because it is a variation of a graphic poster submitted by Vanessa for a fan-art contest we held in 2013 (at our old fan-site, Armitage4Clairmont). It really tells you about the level of quality art that can be produced by fans! Angela declares "NONE OF THESE ACTORS DESERVED THIS!", referring to the lackadaisical publication of this piece. There are four different actors pictured in this article -- c'mon, writers/editors of online publications! Do better. 😒

Here are more of the original artist's fan-art from back then. Visit Vanessa's DeviantArt gallery or her Pinterest Board
Angela mentions that we occasionally be doing “off” giveaways with other books like this one, to break the monotony. When you see them, don't knock it, just enter! We love all sorts of books, and we love opportunities to share them with our friends/followers.

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