Emails to Daemons Discuss!

Daemons Discuss - an unoffical All Souls Universe Podcast, based on the All Souls Trilogy by Deborah Harkness - Episode #
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Take 29 (published the 4th of January 2018) emails

From Lauren:
Hi Daemons!

In 5 and 6 we continue with new interrogations of Diana, which at this point have moved past the function of showing her fish out of water story and are now used as a tool to illustrate the devolution of Matthew's control and confidence. The tenuous threads he has used to hold everything in place begin to snap and his secrets spill all over the floor. Philippe's letter may have been hard to handle, but it certainly saved him from Diana's frustration and fury.

Gallowglass is introduced as the voice of reason and levity to further illustrate that Matthew is losing his grasp of the situation at hand. He steps onto the scene demanding answers but also ready to defend the family in an instant. It's interesting that he's at Diana's back during the Danforth interrogation and holds her shoulders and supports her when she is accused of being a witch. I have to wonder if Gallowglass called Matthew Uncle before the introduction of Diana.

From Stephen:
Hello Daemons I hope you are all well.

One thing that always strikes me when meeting Gallowglass for the first time ( on each re- read or re-listen), is just how quickly he takes to his new auntie, even though he realises that she does not " smell right" for her time ( and Matthew smells much too old). Gallowglass is quick to support Diana when she stumbles, touching her without asking permission from her mate. Matthew appears very comfortable to accept this help from Gallowglass and confirms this protection role, by insisting that either one or both of them keep Diana under observation al all times.

Getting a bit ahead of the reading, but have we heard more of Davy Hancock, after 1591

That's all for now


**From Jody:
Hi Ladies,

This is my first official discusser reply! Yay! I respond all the time in my head but have never been able to sit & gather my thoughts in time. The chapters are so packed I probably won't do them justice. I'm running out of time so please excuse my fragmented thoughts & sentences:

Thoughts on Chapters 5:
The appearance of Gallowglass & Hancock! I was very leery the first read but each reread has endeared them to me more & more. They are hilarious! Why does GG see Diana's glaem? No other vampire commented before -- did they? Why can Hancock hear her blood? I know Matthew can. I think Ysabeau can too. Is this just a vampire thing? Or was Diana's agitation causing it?

Omg. The Congregation?!? Didn't see that coming but in hind sight it makes sense. But between that and Berwick & as we find out, Elizabeth I, it seems 1590 was a risky choice!

Hancock again--" the age of miracles had passed." True frat boy behavior!!! πŸ˜‚ This reminds me of attending the wedding of one of my husband's friends who was never expected to settle down.

And George & Kit-- I imagine them with a supersized popcorn and coke watching this all play out.

I find it interesting that Gg and Hc are not loyal to Baldwin. Why?? And not to Matthew when he behaves like a fool. I thought that was foreshadowing but never seemed to materialize.

Matthew's scent makes Hc ill. Totally understand. As much as I am Team Matthew, the smell of cinnamon & cloves gives me a headache!

Then Matthew finally explodes & wonders why everyone is giving him advice on how to "handle" his wife. Oh Matthew. Poor guy. He just needs some peace & quiet.
The parallels between Ysabeau & Diana are also further solidified here.

I love the strategic positioning when Danforth & Ifflely & Bidwell arrive.  The School of Night are so blasΓ© about their visitors. I wonder here, if Matthew's  reasoning for choosing Widow Beaton was also in case she betrayed them & started spreading rumors as she did. He clearly dismisses her saying he doesn't share his personal life with the likes of women like WB.

Okay. This is lengthy & I haven't even touched chapter 6. And my day is starting so  I don't have time to do it justice. My last thought will be the one moment when my heart broke for Kit.
"..only Matthew can see what little good I have in me. Leave him to me. Please.”

“I can’t,” I said.

Kit truly loved Matthew & is devastated. But instead of acquiescing to Matthew's happiness, he turns into a jealous meddler. Ugh.

This chapter ends with the very beginning of my favorite part of the whole trilogy. Matthew, Phillipe, & Diana in Sept-Tours.

Wow. Thanks for reading!!
Happy Friday!πŸ–€πŸ’«πŸ˜˜

Take 26 (published the 21st of November, 2017) emails
From Stephen:
Hi daemons
Regarding Diana's list of Elizabethan English coins, recorded in her commonplace book, this system remained up to 1971, when the UK adopted a decimal currency with 100 new pennies to the pound.
The gold sovereign had been replaced by a paper pound note, but I was schooled with 20 shillings to the pound, and 12 pennies to the shilling. We had a 10 shilling note ( half a pound) and the largest coin was the half-crown ( two shillings and six pence, or one eighth of a pound). The other coins in circulation were; two shillings ( called a florin), the shilling, the sixpence, the threepence ( an eight-sided brassy coin), the penny, and the half-penny.  The farthing ( or fourth part of a penny) was withdrawn while I was still a baby.
No voice mail this time, as we are on holiday in Portugal.

**From Lauren:
SON Chapter 1

I am always struck by how Diana first experiences 1590 through scent and sound. Deb is already painting her scenes of senses in my mind.

Immediately striking about the first chapter of SON is how much more active it is than the first chapter of ADOW. ADOW had so much exposition and world building it is a much slower start to a book. In this chapter we meet 5 new characters and hear mention of 2 more. Kit’s jealously drives the conflict and and his demonic need to pick apart the threads of story forces everyone into their roles.

We have Kit playing the villain to Matthew’s hero and Diana’s fairly firm return to the victim. Her fish out of water storyline sets up the movement of the first act and the creates the beginning low point of her rising global internal story of weak and helpless to powerful and confident.

The emotional shift slips from excitement and exhilaration to anxiety and caution.
SON Chapter 2

This chapter is exposition heavy and fairly static. We get the details of dressing Diana, the interplay of the School of Night and how they process the tale and time unspooling. in the corner. We have the introduction of Henry Percy, who is the picture of brotherly kindness to Diana, and Walter Raleigh, our first mental and oratorical equal to Matthew.

We have another collective of a witch, vampire, demons and humans working for the good of the individuals and the whole group. While different from yoga, it illustrates that Matthew has been mixing with other creatures and flaunting the Congregation for hundreds of years.

“No fraternizing between otherworldly species” was the most important rule, and the Congregation policed the boundaries. Our talents—creativity, strength, supernatural power—were impossible to ignore in mixed groups. It was as if the power of a witch highlighted the creative energy of any nearby daemons, and the genius of a daemon made a vampire’s beauty more striking.”

Kit continues to antagonize Diana and Matthew, in the same vein as Ch. 1. The conflict is a little weak as Kit has tantrums and the adults in the room repeatedly shut him down.

I would place the value shift in this chapter from ignorance to awareness, for all characters who participate in the chapter.

Thomas Harriot invokes Janus as representative of Matthew and Diana’s time spinning dilemma and why the SoN need to accept rather than dissect their motivations (an ancient Italian deity, guardian of doorways and gates and protector of the state in time of war. He is usually represented with two faces, so that he looks both forward and backward.) “With one face, Matthew and Diana look to the past. With the other, they consider the future,”

I thoroughly enjoy the imagery of time unspooling in the corner. Of note, the scent of lavender and rosemary in the rushes, the sound of the bells rolling 12 and the sight of the tight blue and amber weaving all draw her back to Madison. This doesn’t get fully explained until much later, but it was impressive to see it so fully detailed this early. 

From Ed:
Regarding Shadow of Night: as a professional historian myself (though not an early modernist like Deb), I find that the layers of detail in this book make it my favorite in the series.  It’s a fictionalized but realistic look at daily life in early modern England, France, and Bohemia, and not just from the top of society.  From Bedlam’s din to the vagaries of international travel, Deb gives the readers a real view into what certain aspects of life were like at the time.  The quote from L.P. Hartley that “the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there” is especially applicable, and it’s interesting watching Diana get immersed in much of what she’s studied, and how Matthew tries to take the second chance he’s been given to do things differently but finds that he often can’t, or that things turn out the same even if he does do something differently.  I was actually a bit disappointed to finish this book and move back to the twenty-first century.


From New England Angela:
Hello Daemons!

I have to agree that SON is my favorite book in the trilogy. It's so full of history and emotions. My heart busts at the seams every time I read the Sept Tours section.

Who wouldn't?! word...Phillipe!

But as we start in the new time with D&M my first reaction is why is Kit just lounging around by himself at Matthew's longing for his "Sweet Matt"?
Not creepy at all!

And the we meet the cast of characters in the School of Night who upon seeing Matthew all ask
"Matthew are you ill?"
Oh...just a touch of the ague. Nothing to worry about here.

I absolutely loved Diana being out of her element. Her magic is all messed up. She's considered a giant and everyone assumes she's a harlot and Matthew's whore. Well Diana welcome to the 16th century...can't someone just get the girl a cup of tea, some clothes and a bum donut?! And while we are at it a little support for the poor girl. She did just have a bit of a long journey.

Talk soon daemons

Take 25 (published the 9th of November, 2017) emails

** From Wendy:
Hello Lady Daemons!!

Brace yourselves...this one is going to be long!! Thoughts on the podcast, thoughts on ADOW and questions for Dr. you go!!!

The Podcast - this is jumbled a bit:
The house's magic is like grimauld place in Harry just is there when you need it and not when you don't (or when the house thinks you don't!!)

About Matthew's comment where he wouldn't trust his 1590 self with Diana... I thought maybe none of them understood what happens to a person that goes back to a time they were in previously.  Once they go back, memories, opinions and behaviours come flooding back and go to the forefront of his/her mind.

I like that Nathaniel challenges Matthew and his plans and tries to bring him back to the 21st century.  Matthew's plan is based on ancient warfare not current methods....almost like Matthew has already slipped back in time and Nathaniel is trying to bring him forward.

When they are talking about the wills, I love that Diana said it was for all children of her and Matthew, and included his vampire children.  It was almost as if she knew that there were more children than she knew about at that point.

The trick or treaters were so cute!'  I had a serious awwwwww moment when Matthew was with the little princess who kept hitting him with her wand and saying Bibbity bobbity boo!!

Final thoughts on ADOW...after reading all three books multiple times and thinking back on all of them, it almost feels like these are much younger versions of Matthew and Diana in ADOW as compared to the other two books.  Even though they are only technically a year older in BOL, in experience and life lived, it feels like they age and mature so much more after this book is over.  ADOW is kind of their teenaged or young adult versions of who they become in the other books (despite their chronological age).

Questions for Dr. Shelli...there are so many!!  What is the science behind Diana's having a vampire and witch baby?  If they are twins, shouldn't they be the same type of creature?  Or is this the same as a human mother having twins with different skin colours...changes happening while the baby is forming in the uterus?  I can't remember if she already answered this one, so if she did, please skip it!!

Looking forward to more podcasts and Facebook discussions! 

** From Patricia:
Hello daemons, my favourite mad, bad and dangerous to know ladies. 😁

Always a joy to listen to your podcast and read the posts in daemonic discussers.

It was amazing for me to see all the feedback I received about my question on the validity of DNA tests and how Dr. Shelli answered so swiftly to my concerns.

Final thoughts on ADOW is that it is the book that I have re-read the most out of the trilogy, probably because of the real time readings. I love how the topic of grief is explored in the books. Personally, I have lost three people during the last 12 months. The book offers me comforting concepts like the idea of communicating with deceased relatives to get advice and encouragement. The last sentence of the book is also so powerful. “Remember the past - and await the future”. I strive to do this by remembering the gifts of those who have passed by living the best I can in the moment and believing the future can be magical. (Intention made real)

Recently signed-up for the Saturnalia card exchange and I’m looking forward to finding the perfect card for my assigned partner from Facebook AllSouls Discussion group.

Also very excited to see more casting announcements for the TV show and I love watching Teresa Palmer’s Instagram stories.

Bye for now.


Take 23 (published the 13th of October, 2017) emails:
From Stephen:
Hello Daemons
When Matthew gave Diana his mobile (cell) before going hunting with Marcus, he explained the speed dial numbers 2 and 3 were programmed for Marcus and Ysabeau.
Whom do you think is reached with speed dial number 1?
My guess is Hamish.

Also, have you ever smelled ambergris ( or gray amber)?
This is reported to be a natural discharge from the stomach of sperm whales, and used as an ingredient in some perfume. Matthew smelled this after Diana used witchfire to save him from Juliette.

From Kate:
I was thinking about (again clothes, *sigh*) how Marcus has his necklace of memories. It is obviously full of special momentoes, though he loves Matthew enough to part with one if he has to for Diana and Matthew to travel back in time. But to me, it seems as if Marcus's necklace is his version of a "Matthew Museum." And how American frontiersman of it. Marcus comes from a background of unsettled society and war. No guarantee of a homestead, or safe base. Then, American expands west and into the unknown. At the time, to go west must have been the same as colonizing the moon -- no guarantee of a return trip. Again, no safe base, so he had to carry with him all of his possessions, and I wonder if that still stuck for his necklace.

Plus, how more American can Marcus get? He seems to embody the essence of the very country! He's from New England and fought in the American Revolution. He has a frontiersman necklace that would fit in with buckskins. He lived in New Orleans just after the War of 1812, and is described as looking like a blonde surfer from California. Throw in the fact he probably fought in the American Civil War, and let's pretend he was in Chicago working with Capone in the 1920s and 30s, and he's done everything!

Love the podcast as always,

**From NE Angela
Good evening Daemons!

I don't really know why I'm going to attempt to discuss much of anything tonight on chapters since Deb decided to do a book boyfriend poll online today and well... Jean...BALDWIN. I mean really need we say any more than that?!

Although I think Jean and I are secretly joining Team James quickly after today's Twitter posts from Adam Stevenson. What a little cutie pie that one is!

But back to chapter discussions...

Chapter 35.

Yes...ok let's examine a page of dead skin by placing it on the dining room table. Tea anyone? LOL. First image that came to mind was the scene from National Treasure when they look for the secret messages on the back of the Declaration of Independence... This totally could be Diana, Matthew and Marcus. Except tea.

I love how the topic of Marthe's special tea finally came to the forefront in this chapter.

"Sarah sniffed. 'I would have thought you'd go to the doctor for a prescription, not depend on old herbal lore.'"

Sarah knew immediately, but Diana was completely oblivious still. And before you know it Matthew had Diana pinned against the apple tree in the yard, the Grimoire comes out and Marcus and Miriam have arrived.

"Hi, Mom, we're home!"....oh Marcus there really is no way we couldn't love you completely at this point.

Chapter 36.

Now that Diana is aware that "Conceptio" is the next step in life and finally begins coming back to reality here is Marcus again with another great line.

"It's a vampire thing,"..."We're very protective of our spouses."

Cat's out of the bag now. :)

Once this family conversation turns into VTS and chimera talk we start needing Shelli's big white board to plot this all out. Add in the knowledge of Diana being born on the goddess's feast day and how she is the sun and the moon, Sulphur and mercury, and hermaphrodite... and suddenly this family tree is starting to look like my March Madness bracket.

And this is where Shelli enters in and gives us the smart words about Clan Heh and mtDNA that had me sitting at the conference like a deer in the headlights. White board please! and so I married my brother from 5 other mothers...ohhh kayyyy. Can I get some wine over here?!

Where is that vampire when a girl needs some wine?! ...


Back to re-reading now....

Daemon Kisses!

Take 22 (published the 31st of Aug, 2017) emails:
* From Dora:
Hello Dearest Daemons, 
This is a little late, but just in case, I just have to share my thoughts & love for Baldwin. From the very first moment of his arrival at Sept-Tours and really before he even enters the scene, you can feel that something big is coming. I couldn't help when rereading noting the immediate reactions of his family before, he enters the room, Ysabeau's eyes "glisten", Matthew: "stiffens", and Marthe: "rolls her eyes". We learn early on that he is Phillip's Son, most like his father, & his favorite, perhaps the reason for Ysabeau's reaction, that he & Matthew are very different, & do not particularly care or trust one another, revealing a deep sibling rivalry & You are made very aware that Marthe doesn't take his nonsense, lol, the flying cooper kettle! 
Most importantly though, we learn his name almost immediately, that he is an excellent tracker, appears more practical than Matthew, is the Head of the deClermont family & was called for Diana's sake. Despite his flaws, I love his loyalty because he does come when called by his family, he keeps his oath to The Knights of Lazarus, even if he believes Matthew is using this as personal gain & there is concern for his brother, if not in his voice or his actions, it was in his eyes ... love that ❤️ I want him in Matthew's corner πŸ‘‘
Can't wait to meet you on NOLA, , Love the Podcast, Daemon Kisses
Dora (MidwifeNMoonlover)
** From Rute:
Hello Daemons πŸ˜‰

Thoughts on Chapters 30-34 of A Discovery of Witches?
Matthew guilt about Diana being kidnap...he reacted just like was expected...taking the blame for falling asleep. The dispear and how crazyhe went looking for Diana, not being able to think but at the same time how he stood up to Baldwin. The all rescue scene ws fantastic and Diana did her part in saving helself and fighting like a real de Clermont woman
Thoughts on meeting Baldwin?
Baldwin is the kind of charater you love to hate...he shows up as if the was the king and ruler of the orders and stuff. Dispite considering Diana os not his or a de Clermont problem he end up going with Matthew to save her and was the one that kept a cool head and told Matthew "Stop and think". You can tell he was a soldier/commander, he knows it is important to keep the calm and think to win ;)
I must confess I didn't like in in ADOW and for the most part of BOF...but when he told Diana "I'll find him Diana and I'll bring him home" we won my heart. I'm really looking forward to know more about him...maybe in Marcus book and in another book. I think he's a very interesting charater and
Thoughts on Sarah and/or Emily?
Sarah was not easy to love at start, how she dealt with Diana not showing any signs of magic, the fach that Diana was just like the mother is mosthave been hard on Sarah (she lost her sister and took care of her niece that "dispises" everything her mother represented, and wants to stay as far as possible from must have been hard on Sarah.
Love how Emily help keep the armony and brings the family together.
Wish we had had more time with these two but it was really cool to see them and how they react to all those things...Diana being with a vampire, Matthew, than Miryam and Marcus, the daemons...
How about that House, eh?
The house is a charater...the secrets, the magic, is was the firts time I heard of a house with a temper....and what a temper. I think that the magic of the former inhabitants kinf of lingers in the house.

Kisses from Portugal 😘😘 

** From Kate S.
Hello Daemons,

(Warning: this email brings in Book of Life also)

My main thoughts on these chapters are when we meet Baldwin. Having read the series multiple times, I think he is the most interesting but is the most overlooked. All of the reader's interactions and biases of Baldwin are from the other character's point of view. We never get the details of his backstory, as we do for Matthew, Marcus, and Ysabeau.

Here is the second son, who suddenly had to assume the duties of head of the family from Phillipe during war. I doubt he was given time to mourn Phillipe, or even anyone asking how he was doing. Ysabeau was grieving her mate, and Matthew was being self-absorbed Matthew.

Additionally, you can bet that everyone is comparing Baldwin to Phillipe, which is completely unfair. Baldwin was always the strategist, the second in command, not the visionary. All of the characters (except for Ysabeau, maybe) knew Phillipe when he knew what he was doing, essentially the broken in model. It has to be very difficult for Baldwin to suddenly lose his general and best friend ("they are cut from the same cloth...") and try to play both sides against the middle. That takes practice. And information.

Baldwin, though the head of the family, is cut out of the information stream for the entire series! He doesn't know about Diana until Ysabeau calls him one she is kidnapped. Then Marcus doesn't give him all of the information about Emily's death and the shadow-congregation, and no one tells him where Matthew and Diana go when the drop off the radar for about a year, and suddenly arrive at Sept Tours. He even mentions that if he knew Matthew and Diana were there he wouldn't have invited the Congregation representatives over for their inspection.

Because of Matthew's emotional biases, which he passes onto Marcus and are supported (but I don't know why!?!?) by Ysabeau, he can't seem to accept that Baldwin is a good guy. Baldwin is doing what Phillipe did: what is most beneficial for the de Clairmonts and regional stability.  When he arrives, he assumes Phillipe's role: he meets with the mayor and priest in the village, he runs the house and puts Diana on the Congregation.

Has anyone thought of the events of DoW and BoL from his point of view? I think all of his reactions are perfectly acceptable. First, it appears that no one asks his opinion or for his help. They all assume he is against them and approaches him with anger and confrontation. I don't know about you, but if I'm approached in anger, I will become angry and defensive. Initially, he's called in to find his brother's mate, who is a witch. He makes Matthew think instead of just going off his emotions, even though Matthew is angry he's there. Then, the first think Diana says to him is "I thought you were dead." That would freak anyone out, and rightly so. Next, in Book of Life, the reader is led to believe him storming into the bedroom is rude, but let's think:

     1. He doesn't know Matthew and Diana are at Sept Tours
     2. He arrives and suddenly hears Phillipe's blood vow on Diana
     3. Phillipe's been dead for 70 years, and so there is no way that Baldwin would expect to hear that
     4. He is still grieving for Phillipe and it is natural that he would assume that it is some sort of trick/insult to create this reminder of Phillipe

We know he loves his brother. He helps find Diana and gives her good advice, he fights for him and has the reaction of the fake Matthew's in Benjamin's bunker, cares for him after the battle, and makes fun of him while he's recovering (can't fight or do other acceptable brotherly things). Then, he comes to love Diana as a sister. He's the one who confirms the blood vow. He asks Diana if assuming Ashmole 782 hurt, and gently touches her, he gives her advice for being on the Congregation, protects her by waiting on the boat until she's in the meeting, and accepting her as a fellow fighter during the battle with Benjamin, and then caring for Matthew afterward.

In summary, I think Baldwin's reactions are completely reasonable and that he needs a friend/mate. (I'd be it, but I think my husband would protest....even though Baldwin smells like wood smoke and leather...basically the coziest, homiest, and safest den/library I could imagine.) I think it is sad that Baldwin's de Clairmont family is getting smaller. Marcus, his kids, Fernando, and it is assumed Ysabeau join the Bishop-Clairmont scion. Matthew says that vampires like packs, but it seems that the de Claimont pack is trying to push Baldwin out. We don't know with whom Baldwin spends his time. We don't know if Eva was ever his mate or only a lover. 

Wow, this ended up being long winded.

I'm totally on #TeamBaldwin

From Michelle:
Hi ladies!

I've been MIA for awhile with life things (exciting life things, not bad life things!) and am now finally catching up with the podcasts. Nothing to really add except that I think of Lucius Vorenus from HBO's Rome when I think of Baldwin - a deep sense of honor and duty and really not here for anyone's (least of all his little "brother's") shit, so it would just be so great if everyone fell in line.

Also, I'm not sure if it's been addressed but can we please talk about how the most unbelievable things in this entire series isn't vampires, witches, daemons, or even timewalking, but the fact that she got tenure. At Yale. By 33. 

Love the podcast and am always excited when it comes up in my updates! Sorry I won't be at SoulCon but I'll be busy getting married that weekend :).

Michelle, the INTJ
From Camille:
Hello Daemons! I saw that you were going to discuss the Bishop house and immediately got excited. This house is all of my historical-fantasy dreams come true. Grumpy and wise ancestors. Sassy house. And spirited occupants. Above all else I was mostly interested in the ancestors that still lived, or at least passed by, there. This brings up all sorts of questions, but I mostly want to ask why Diana, Emily, and Sarah don't take advantage of the literal walking, talking history books they have available to them. What gives? Especially Diana, an Historian, who I would think wouldn't be able to stop asking them questions. 

The three women seem to rarely speak to the ghosts and instead have developed a relationship that instead makes it seem like they are houseguests that have overstayed their welcome . And while I do understand that after some time, you might get a bit sick of ghosts always being around, for someone like me who would love to chat with both recent and distant ancestors, I can't help but think the three might be a little ungrateful.  

I love listening to the podcast and cannot wait to stream All Souls Con soon!


From Kate H.:
*Chapters 30-34 were a major emotional roller coaster to read, I distinctly remember stress drinking almost an entire bottle of wine whilst reading them. I would not have handled Diana's ordeal nearly as well as she did. In fact, I'm certain I would not have survived it. 
*Baldwin drove me crazy with his calm rational I really just wanted to smack him. 
*When I first read about the Bishop House it reminded me of a cat. The house is a bit standoffish and wary when it meets a new person but also has a sly and slightly wicked sense of humor. It seems to me that Tabitha often acts as the house's familiar as if she more belongs to the house than the witches who reside there. 
   Hope you enjoy my late night ramblings;)

Take 20 (published the 3rd of Aug 2017) emails:

From Stephen:

I just heard you reading my review on DDE18. I forgot that my Apple ID uses an old email address 'bottleheaduk2002' (so you could not know that it was left by this  Discussor.) I added the podcast subscription to my iPad (just) to leave a review, but I still download and listen in the car with my trusty iPod Touch.
❤  and Daemon kisses πŸ’‹

* From Wendy:

Hi Lady Daemons!!

I know I am a day late, but hopefully not a dollar

I might be too late for the pod cast but still wanted to share my thoughts.  Chapters 26-29 for me was the roller coaster ride of emotions!!  We went from the high of Matthew finally giving in to his feelings when he got back from Oxford and watching Diana prove her bravery as he hunts, to the pain of Diana in La Pierre.  I think that these chapters start to show the strength of the bond between them.  In Chapters 26-28 we see the beginnings of the bond and how strong it became so quickly and Chapter 29 shows how Diana uses that bond to survive in the some of the darkest moments of her life (to that point).  It also shows Diana's inner strength.  I don't think even she knew how strong she was until that point.

On to Philipe...When we first met Philipe in SON, my impression was of a mean, self important control freak.  As we got to know him more through the book, I realized that my initial impression was too narrow.  He was a control freak, but not mean, just protective.  He was ultimately focused on ensuring the well being, if not happiness, of his family.  He was a complete contradiction in that he had a huge capacity for fun and love for his family...but could also be ruthless and demanding with the them.   Having said that, the scene when he sends Diana and Matthew off to London by riding along the ridge, was heartbreaking.   Philipe is one of those characters that makes you change your mind about him in each chapter...ultimately I think he was the father that Diana needed in SON before they went to London.  He ensured she had the strength and skills she needed to survive and learn in London.

And only 9 more Friday's before All Souls Con...WHOOP!!

Thanks for the shout out on the last was really cool πŸ˜€πŸ˜€


** From Kate: 

My thoughts on Philippe is that he is the ultimate CEO and put Diana through a medieval executive training course/employment interview. When she arrives, he's not trusting of her and sees her as basically an applicant to being a senior vice president to the de Clarimont Corporation (dCC). At first, he's not sure if she's wanting the role just through the marriage, and will be a satellite member of the family, or if she's going to be a full member. He also realizes that Diana isn't aware that she's even applying for this role!  He essentially puts her on probation to see how she'd do in the position and testing her loyalty to the dCC brand.

- Does she show initiative? Yes. She uses Alain and other retainer/servants to learn how the house and vampire families run, the expectations, requirements, etc. Learning how Philippe and Matthew like to take their blood, that her presence is required at the high table so others can eat, how to deal with strong egos/personalities. This really helps her with Baldwin and the Congregation in Book of Life.

- Does she grow into the role? Yes. She assimilates well and became an advisor to Phillipe and Matthew, not someone to protect, but a full team member.

- Loyalty?
       - She kills the witch and learns how willing she is to protect not just Matthew, but dCC. Also, she learns (and finally accepts!!) that dCC will protect her. This is evidenced when the children servants are willing to use household tools to protect her.

Once she show's that she is worthy, he then hires her into the family through the blood vow and provides her personal seed money. That occurs before the wedding. It's as if Philippe needs to make sure that Diana's not looking to marry Matthew for the prestige of being associated with dCC (gold digger/ trophy wife/ arm candy), and willing to be a working member of it, regardless. The order of events in VERY important. Adoption before the wedding. This is necessary in Book of Life for dCC's modern members to accept the adoption.

In modern life, Phillipe is like Elizabeth II and Diana is like Kate Middleton. One is protecting the family and public institution, and another is training to be a member not just in words but actions too. A 'working royal.'

Again, love the podcast and discussions.


From Rute:

So....I'm going to start with my thoughts on Philippe in SON...we already knew Philippe was one of a kind but in SON we really got to know him. The strong, brave man willing to do everything we could to protect those he love. It was terrible hard and at the same time amazing to see Matthew with Philippe...We could feel Matthew was trouble to be with his father again, and when he told Diana his secret...I can only imagine how hard it must have been to Matthew.

Philippe is someone you find yourself attracted to and falling in love with very easelly...the way he protected Diana, making sure she was a De Clermont. I always cry whe Diana and Matthew have to say such a hard Chapter to read...and latter when Ysabeu finds his little note.
All in all Philippe is an amazing character and I hope to find more about him in future books

Chapters 26-29 of A Discovery of Witches

Matthew finally givin in...telling Diana he loves her. The magic, the I Love Yous, their time together. Matthew taking his time (well, later we find out he was afraid, because of his blood rage and all)...simply perfect. However...when things are this perfect something has to happen...and Satu did
😀 Diana being kidnapped...I can only imagine Matthew guild when he woke up. At the same time it show us how strong Diana his...the talk with her mother was amazing.

Guess that's all

Big Kiss

P.S. sorry if there's some mistakes, english is not my mother laguage ;)

** From Angela:
Shadow of Night - Phillipe.

I could probably spend an entire day diving into the many small details of Phillipe. He is by far one of the most complex secondary characters in this book. I won't even go into how many times he brings me to tear up in TBOL. In SON though he not only makes me want to strangle him but I also want to just sit in any room at Sept Tours and just study every move as though each moment with him would have something worth treasuring. And treasure him we do. I don't think I truly understood Phillipe until I went back the second time to read SON. At first so much of his story and the depth at which his relationship with Matthew is overlooked. Once everything is revealed and I went back I really got to see so much more  of those intimate details that occurred in this book. And chapter 11 in the hay barn has got to be one of the most memorable scenes between Phillipe, Diana and Matthew. Not only does Phillipe deliberately instigate Matthew to ensure his secret about his blood rage is revealed to Diana, but this is also where we get to finally see the softer side of Phillipe. By making Diana his blood sworn daughter and giving his blessing for her and Matthew to be officially wed we see there was so much underneath the image of Phillipe that Matthew explained to Diana in ADOW.

Phillipe was a complex yet devoted family man. Who knows just how much he knew about the future and what would actually come into play but I loved every role he played in their lives.

Another question I keep trying to find my answer to and I think I must just be missing it is when Phillipe says to Diana in TBOL- Thank you for holding my hand, you can let go now. Was she with him in spirit while Benajmin was torturing him or was she in some way-shape-or-form guiding him his entire life and never knew it?


I've rambled enough. Time for wine.

I look forward to seeing all your smiling faces in NOLA. And of course I'll bring the wicked Boston accent with me. lol

Daemon Kisses! MUAH

-Angela Page