Thursday, June 21, 2018

Daemons Discuss - Podcast: Take 40! | The Sidekicks! Davy, Domenico (and Others!) - Covers ADOW, SON, TBOL, TWOAS

We compare a couple of AST characters to Chester and Spike (pictured above).
Take 40 - The One With the Sidekicks (feat. Nikki Gastineau)

Description: We started out thinking we'd just examine two of the sidekicks in this trilogy (Hancock and Domenico), but we wound up examining others as well! We touch on Miriam, Hamish, Sarah and some of the situations they deal with. We contend that the secondary characters are the ultimate drivers of the story! Also, stay tuned for later in this episode; Save It For The Show, features a chat with Nikki Gastineau of All Souls Witchy Women.

SPOILER ALERT! We (The Daemons) approach this podcast with an assumption that the listener has read The All Souls Trilogy, including A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night, The Book of Life, and snippits from The World of All Souls. If you haven't, and you don't mind, we certainly don't mind!  😊  Let's do this. *Note - this podcast is labeled 'explicit'

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1. Show notes:

For newcomers to the series:- We'll start with the basics: The books in discussion are A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night and The Book of Life.  Together they make The All Souls Trilogy by Deborah Harkness.
- Our Daemon Guides to the All Souls Trilogy are available for download: ADOW, SON, TBOL

Deb's newsletter - The Blast; subscribe on her website
- If you'd like a ready-reference from the author herself, be sure to download the All Souls Real-Time Reading companion (free e-book at online booksellers via Penguin and Headline books).
- Deborah Harkness usually conducts a real-time reading on her Facebook Page (starting in September), and shares her posts across social media. Check out her website for all of her social media links, and of course all that she has to offer her readers! Be sure to sign up for her newsletter while you are there!
- To see what's available on the web as far as the All Souls universe fandom, check our links page.

In this episode:
* (00:00) - Quick notes: 1. All Souls Cons tix have sold out! Live streaming is available for $5; we mentioned that there were some tix still available, but podcasters are timewalkers that speak to you from the past! 2. This episode was recorded in two sections in two different weeks, so in one part we say Jean is going to have surgery, and the rest of the episode it is fairly obvious that she's already went through the surgery. You aren't going crazy! Editing is sorcery!

* (01:44) - We didn't solicit Discusser feedback for this episode, but if you have thoughts, make sure you send them (contact info below - P.S. emails are great, voicemails via Speakpipe or phone are wonderful)!

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* (3:30) - This discussion is brought to you by Jody Kozey - thank you, Jody!

Coat of Arms for Davy Gam aka our Hancock
* (3:50) - Discussion on Hancock
  • We totally overlooked Hancock during most of our reads of Shadow of Night. We've just noticed this guy very clearly with our last re-read, and subsequent recording of the podcast episode with the chapter he barges into with Gallowglass. We found him refreshing
  • We think he’s probably dead currently, but we aren’t entirely sure. The World of All Souls didn't make any statements of his current whereabouts.
  • Deb tweeted this as a teaser to Time’s Convert would Davy be with them? (coming Sept 2018)
  • We talk about his wife Bethan aka Lizzie: “Hello, Lizzie.” Gallowglass bent over and smacked a kiss on each of her pale cheeks. “Hancock’s gone to Anglesey for Yule. I did think he expected to find his wife waiting to welcome him.” 
  • BREAKING NEWS! You'll have to listen to know what it is. 😎 Some things are better appreciated when they are listened to -- also? We like our listeners to know things. So, you creatures just reading this to get the gist of the conversation? You are sorely missing out! 🀐 Take the plunge! Push play!
  • He’s a fun ginger (Angela says that Deb write good gingers); Physical description: Davy Gam is redheaded, with bushy red eyebrows and the brawny build of a warrior 
  • We discuss the outtake and where the edits took place; the conversation in the outtake took place enroute to Sept-Tours, vs. in Shadow of Night it took place in Woodstock.
  • Judging on how Bethan handled Matthew, we are pretty sure Davy may have been whipped! “As your man seems unwilling, you might tell me what to call you.” Matthew stepped forward, and Lizzie put up an imperious hand. “Do not interrupt, lordling.” 
  • We discuss formidable women and we wonder again about the “proper vampire wife,” and if this creature a unicorn. As told in Shadow of Night: “Matthew de Clermont is mated at last. But no ordinary, placid human or properly schooled female wearh who knows her place would do. Not for our Matthew. Now that he’s decided at last to settle down with one woman, it had to be a witch. We have more to worry about than the good people of Woodstock, then.” 
  • We bring up Miriam (sidekick alert!). We wonder about her “head of clan status” - The clan’s sire is almost always male, though there have been some famous exceptions, such as Miriam Shephard. 
  • Henry? A rebel (sidekick alert 2!)? “Very well. If you must know, Henry Percy is the ninth knight. His unwillingness to embrace the Protestant faith makes him vulnerable to allegations of treason here in England, and in Europe he is an easy target for every malcontent who would like to see Her Majesty lose her throne. Philippe offered him the position to shield him from those who would abuse his trusting nature.” “Henry? A rebel?” I was stunned. 
  • We compare Bethan to Sarah… (sidekick alert 3!); we discuss Sarah a bit here.
  • We wonder about Hamish’s (sidekick alert 4!) Sweet William, and we think about how Deb weaves the stories, and how she must know many of the mentioned characters back-stories.
  • We speculate why it isn’t revealed that Hancock is a de Clermont. We are going with the theory Diana didn’t ask, and Hancock didn’t offer up the information. He may be more tight lipped than Gallowglass. It's no one's tale to tell but his . . . that's what we are going with, anyway. 😜

Domenico Michele - Doge of Venice
* (23:48) - Discussion on Domenico
  • Our initial impression of Domenico was as a friend that grew apart from Matthew. We considered them equal peers at one point. WE WERE WRONG!
  • We discuss the backstory, and how Matthew met him on a 'time-out' - or 'better choice' tour that Philippe had put him on. Matthew wound up out to sea because Philippe sent him away. Why? Because Matthew was being a pain in the ass!
  • This backstory hearkens back to Bram Stoker's Dracula (as pointed out by Jean).
  • Matthew befriended him (reluctantly), and Domenico worshipped Matthew. We compare him to characters from Looney Tunes cartoons; he was Chester to Matthew's Spike. Jean compared him to Single White Female, because of Domenico’s wanting to emulate Matthew; 'Domenico started adopting some of Matthew’s turns of phrase and imitating the way he walked. Domenico called him “brother,” and asked too many questions about Matthew’s family in France.'
  • Domenico was bitter because Matthew left him, and he didn't get a chance to partake in the riches amassed by the de Clermonts due to what he (correctly) assumed was Matthew black-balling him. 'Avarice was another of Domenico’s flaws.' 
  • Domenico was vengeful. He got to Matthew by affecting the people he loved. Louisa, and subsequently, Diana were perfect targets. Part of the charm of having Louisa, Domenico knew, was taking something that belonged in some small way to Matthew. But Matthew believed that this witch was his entirely. Not only would her blood be sweet, but every drop he consumed would destroy a part of his former friend’s soul. Domenico’s revenge on Matthew would at last be complete. 
  • When the “killing” was brought up in ADOW, we finally realize what that actually meant - from ADOW, ch 22: “I will kill you myself before I let anyone hurt you.” The words caught in his throat. “And I don’t want to kill you. So please do what I tell you.” 
  • We discuss Baldwin’s roles in Jerusalem. He played a few generations of kings!
  • We discuss Ysabeau’s utter hatred of Domenico, as evident in ADOW
  • We discuss the different orders that the creatures belong to. The Hospitallers belong to the witches, and the Templars belonged to the vampires.
  • We talk about Domenico accusing Matthew of the “dalliance” with Diana, when we know about Domenico’s dalliance with the daemon Tatiana in The Book of Life“You know this, brother. I’m not the only vampire on the Congregation. Gerbert has a seat alongside me, and you’ve seen him protect our kind ruthlessly from threats far smaller than the one posed by your dalliance with this witch.”
* (43:54)  Housekeeping! Brought to you by Ruth Ticknor! Thank you, Camille, for you inquiry about Diana’s email in TWOAS. Thank you, ncfd32, for your review!


* (45:47) Save It For the Show - brought to you by Deborah Taylor! Topic: We welcome Nikki Gastineau from All Souls Witchy Women, and talk fandom, their podcast and general approaches towards the books. Find her (and them) here —> AllSoulsWitchyWomen.com (social media links located there as well). Their podcast is available on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, and Google Play (+ all of the usual places!). Thank you, Nikki!

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* (1:14:10) - Last thoughts: Jean wonders how Domenico will be portrayed in the show. Angela gives us a historical reference correction. Valerie is grateful we can talk to other podcasters in the in the space. She brings us Daemon Hour (stay tuned for details). Listeners … if you made it to this part of the show, tweet us a smirk emoji … just the smirk. 😏

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Thursday, June 7, 2018

Daemons Discuss - Podcast: Bonus Edition! | Exploring the World of All Souls

A Daemon touched version of The 'Ripley Scrowle' - as seen on the wall in Mary Sidney's lab (and TWOAS illustration).

Bonus Edition! - Exploring The World of All Souls

Description: Just like the title states, we explore The World of All Souls together in this bonus episode of Daemons Discuss!

This episode is best described as "Daemons unplugged," because we opted out of our usual production format. Instead, we leaned into a more straight-forward conversation containing our thoughts on the material contained in this official guide to the All Souls Trilogy.

SPOILER ALERT! We (The Daemons) approach this podcast with an assumption that the listener has read The All Souls Trilogy, including A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night, The Book of Life, and snippits from The World of All Souls. If you haven't, and you don't mind, we certainly don't mind!  😊  Let's do this. *Note - this podcast is labeled 'explicit'

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1. Show notes:

For newcomers to the series:- We'll start with the basics: The books in discussion are A Discovery of Witches, Shadow of Night and The Book of Life.  Together they make The All Souls Trilogy by Deborah Harkness.
- Our Daemon Guides to the All Souls Trilogy are available for download: ADOW, SON, TBOL

Deb's newsletter - The Blast; subscribe on her website
- If you'd like a ready-reference from the author herself, be sure to download the All Souls Real-Time Reading companion (free e-book at online booksellers via Penguin and Headline books).
- Deborah Harkness usually conducts a real-time reading on her Facebook Page (starting in September), and shares her posts across social media. Check out her website for all of her social media links, and of course all that she has to offer her readers! Be sure to sign up for her newsletter while you are there!
- To see what's available on the web as far as the All Souls universe fandom, check our links page.

In this episode:
⚠️WARNING! There are spoilers! We discuss our impressions of The World of All Souls (TWOAS).  If you have not read TWOAS, and don't want to know about it yet, skip this episode. As this is a bonus edition, no other information on other items/current events in the universe or fandom is discussed in this recording. If you don't care either way, enjoy! *Please note - we will freely refer to the information in TWOAS in our future discussions after this episode. Our self-imposed moratorium on open discussion with this particular book will be over as of the 20th of June, 2018.

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Deb's talk on The World of All Souls:  Deborah Harkness at University Book Store in Seattle, WA - 8 May 2018

Read More:
  • More information on The World of All Souls and Time's Convert can be found on our book page
  • The picture of Gallowglass' condo that's included in TWOAS can be seen here, and you can take a deeper dive of this location by reading this post!

Our reviews (no spoilers 😊):

From Angela:

If the All Souls Trilogy is the five-star three-course gourmet meal for the mind, The World of All Souls is the ultimate luscious dessert with the proverbial cherry on top.  Deborah Harkness and her team of collaborators have combed through Harkness’s author files to bring AST fans a wealth of Bishop-Clairmont & Co. universe knowledge like never before.

I was delighted to delve even deeper into various facets of this literary world, including everything from the broad brushstrokes of the cast of characters, locations and literature to the finer points and interactions of magic, alchemy and science as they relate to the All Souls Trilogy.  Not to be outdone by the beloved personae, universe attributes, and quotes that we have come to cherish, are the never-known-before details about some of the people, places and things in the All Souls world.  Sometimes you just don’t know what you don’t know, but The World of All Souls is here to not only apprise you but once again provoke deep thought as All Souls readers have come to expect.  (I do believe Deb would feel remiss if she didn’t seize an opportunity to teach readers – her willingly perpetual students - new things!)

Another crowning achievement of The World of All Souls are the illustrations.  They enhance and uplift throughout.  They are peppered into the text and on stand-alone pages like a feast for the eyes!  The variety at this banquet table is endless.

This All Souls anthology is a must have for readers new to this universe, as well as seasoned trilogy bibliophiles.  It is also a book that can be referred back to time and again and/or read multiple times – while likely learning something new each time.  Perhaps only Ashmole 782 itself could rival this enchanted compendium, but The World of All Souls can be thought of as nothing less than the most “illuminating” manuscript of them all!


From Jean:

Imaginary worlds are just as deserving of guidebooks as the real world places we all love, and the All Souls universe now has a Baedecker's worthy of it. The World of All Souls is an amazing guide to my favorite universe. Talk about a swoon worthy total package. It's a work that definitely needs to be savored, and its clever set up allows you pop in to explore a compelling topic or meander through. It's definitely a book I'll revisit again and again.

The highlights for me include the character profiles (which include not a few shocking revelations), the outtakes from A Discovery of Witches and Shadow of Night, the literature section, and the lovely discussion of the writing process (a must read for any aspiring author or curious reader).

The illustrations range from playful to intricate - ranging from stark and symbolic to high style and artistic. They are so LUSH - even in gray scale. The rendition of Mary Sidney's lab stopped me in my tracks I was so overwhelmed by the detail and thought that leapt from the page. The literature section is especially sumptuous. Between the deftly chosen quotes and illustrations I'll revel in it for hours.

Whether you're new to this world thanks to the upcoming TV series or have obsessively chased zebras down rabbit holes for years looking for eggs, this compendium will have something to amaze, delight, and surprise you. It shouldn't surprise anyone - after all, Professor Harkness always has a lesson or two up her sleeve.


From Valerie:

The World of All Souls is the perfect companion to the All Souls Trilogy. It allows the reader to experience the All Souls universe in vivid technicolor through pictures + information broken down for you by characters, locations, organizations and more. Even though most of the illustrations are presented in black and white, the images jump off of the page to engulf you like magic.

As a reader, you will not only get to know the curriculum vitae of the characters, you’ll also get to experience some of the locations mentioned in the books! And this is not just by listing geographical locations, but by exploring the minute details of the places within the locations. Rooms like Mary Sidney’s laboratory are illuminated brilliantly by the illustrator, Colleen Madden.

It’s not required reading to the trilogy, but its existence adds priceless value to the overall universe. There are two thrilling outtakes that allow us to read even deeper into the series, while expanding our fascination with the main characters. We are also blessed with insight of some of the beloved secondary characters (who for me, were as, if not more important).

This book should adorn any All Souls lover’s shelf, whether they picked up the series in the beginning, or are just now discovering the series. Highly recommend!


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